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Navigation restriction overruled by automatically assigned 0?

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Shane Foglesong

I have the following settings for an assignment in Navigation --> Completion 

Mark as completed when the student: Submits the activity
Student must be complete before continuing: Check

Students are able to move past it without submitting it. It is past due and they are receiving a 0 on it as a result of the course gradebook setting Automatically Assign Zero Scores To Past-due Activities or the specific assignment setting of Treat Unscored as 0.

This seems to have started after the new year. Before that, students would have to submit the assignment to move past it, even if they received an automatic 0 on it.

 

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Scott Taylor

This scenario would require getting a closer look at the course settings for diagnosis. It would be recommended to pass this question along to FLVS support, your domain's initial support contact, for investigation.

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Shane Foglesong

Thank you. It started happening in multiple courses after the new year which made me think it was a more widespread problem, possibly related to the weekly updates.

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Shane Foglesong

While waiting to hear back, I have confirmed that when a student receives a 0 as a result of the setting 'Automatically Assign Zero Scores To Past-due Activities', it allows them to move past the gated assignment. This is a new behavior. 

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Shane Foglesong

FLVS has passed this on for us. I wanted to add that it is also removing those assignments from the students to-do list.

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Scott Taylor

Thank you for following up, looks like Agilix Support received the request and is looking into it further. FLVS or your support contact should receive the findings.

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Shane Foglesong

Hello!

I received a reply that only contained workarounds.  Do you know - Is this the new functionality of the Automatically assign 0s setting or will it be repaired? It was not announced as a new feature, so it seems like something inadvertent. 

Will the assignment specific setting of Treat Unscored as 0 work if we enable the setting past the assignment's due date?

What is the way to have an assignment receive a 0 after the due date so it impacts the student's overall grade, still allows them to submit it and still stays on their to do list? Automatically Assign 0's was accomplishing this automatically which was a big help. If we have to go back to doing this manually for each due date, can you confirm that Treat Unscored as 0 will work in this way? If not - is there a way?

Also - is there a way to clear all the Automatic 0s that have been entered since the behavior changed?

Sorry to keep posting to this thread, but this is a substantial struggle.

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Scott Taylor

Reviewing further the release notes for 01 Dec 2016 made mention of the updated behavior of the automatically assigned zero marking the item as complete if the completion trigger only requires submission.

If the completion trigger is set to achieves a passing score the score of zero will be applied but the item will not be marked as complete, thereby allowing the student to still submit their work.

The automatically assigned zeros would have to be cleared on the individual students or (what would be more productive) is allowing a retry so that the score of zero remains until they submit a new attempt.

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Shane Foglesong

I am not seeing that in the update notes. In any case - the navigation restriction says Mark As Complete When The Student: Submits This Activity. The wording should perhaps be updated to reflect this nuance.

Setting the completion trigger to Receives a Passing Score will require an assignment be graded before a student can move on. This could be 4 or 5 days in the event of a holiday weekend. Or if a student works at night, they would only be able to complete 1 item. The goal of the navigation restriction is just to ensure that they complete the course in order, not that they wait until they receive a grade.

The issue is not that they cannot complete the past assignments. They all have retry allowed. The issue is that they no longer have to complete the assignments in order and they have been removed from their to do lists.

Can you let me know how to achieve this:

  • What is the way to have an assignment receive a 0 after the due date so it impacts the student's overall grade, still allows them to submit it, still stays on their to do list, and still maintains the navigation restriction.

Currently to fix past automatic 0's a teacher will have to open every assignment from the beginning of the year that received an automatic 0, determine which 0s are automatic ones as opposed to actual submitted and graded ones and clear it out. This is a substantial task. Before we undertake it I was just hoping to make sure this was the only way or make sure this was not going to be reverted or make sure there was not going to be some additional functionality to address this. Can anybody from dev comment on this?

Also can you pass on what a disappointing loss of functionality this is and the struggle caused by making it retroactive?

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Ryan Josephson

I've been dealing with this too.  Our workaround was to set the completion setting to "achieves a passing grade" with the passing grade percentage as 1%.  This causes issues with scores being marked green instead of red, but it does allow them to continue to submit the assignments after being scored zero automatically.

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Shane Foglesong

Thanks for your reply!

Does that allow the student to move onto the next assignment, or must it be graded before they can move on?

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Shane Foglesong

This change (automatic 0s counting as a submission) also makes it very difficult to manage multiple groups with different due dates. Teachers that have their course set up with different groups based on enrollment date so they could customize due dates are particularly affected. 

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